https://docs.google.com/View?id=dhbvr2gz_18gk9wt8gt

Note: the below was created from OCRing screencaps of a Flash based chatroom. Excuse the mistakes.

Xaq Fixx 3:39 pm
Alright… Question 1:
Political Identified Profile field, when will it return

Lee Doren
As soon as I get confirmation to add it back—it was my intention to add at asap Friday, but then it was unclear what my authority was to do so
The only reason why it was removed was so I could add something else asap
Like an open-ended political affiliation

Michael Lowry
like an “Other” option?

Lee Doren
That’s a possibility

Xaq Fixx
Okay. Next question: What are Lee’s views on pluralism and polycentrism?

Lee Doren
Define both

Leo_the_Magnificent
pluralism is the acknowledgment of a diversity of political systems
And polycentrism is there is more than one “center.”
It was my question.

Lee Doren
Well, lm a constitutional Republican. I believe that is the only system compatible with individualism

Mike Gogulski
(Xaq, please add me as friend so I can pm you)

Lee Doren
I understand that others may differ with me
nevertheless

Leo_the_Magnificent
What about for an organization such as this?

Pete Eyre
Lee, this is Pete, when i was CiC i asked folks for their input. the first that i received was to add a new political identification (christian anarchist) which i did
this site is all about the community. bottom-up

Michael Lowry
brb guys.

Pete Eyre
the CiC cannot have all the knowledge

Xaq Fixx
what about the Intel section? What’s going on with that?

Daniel Patrick
Pete, we’re moderating questions through Xaq right now

Lee Doren
Yeah, lm sensitive to everyone’s concerns

Xaq Fixx
clarification: Why was the Intel Section removed? When Will it return? What changes can we expect?

Liberty Tiger
Frankly, if you’re a constitutional Republican perhaps you’d do better at the Campaign for Liberty, lm pretty sure that the Constitution’s authority is imaginary and its protections have b usurped a long time ago.

Lee Doren
We will progress slowly improve that section…l want everyone’s input
It was removed partially because there were contests up there, and if anyone said they did the contest and 1 had no prize.—I had to come up with a prize that I didn’t even know about

Xaq Fixx
why did Gogulski’s account disappear for days and then it was re-instated?

Allison Gibbs
hey! don’t throw us in with that!

Liberty Tiger
sorry, Allison. no offense

Allison Gibbs
lol

Lee Doren
If I can remember, Gogulski I think renounced his US citizenship and declared it as the new manifesto.. in hindsight I should have waited, which is why I stopped everything Friday night which prevented an explanation

Daniel Patrick
You have to be a US Citizen to use Bureaucrash?

Luis
lm not

fonz85
Where are your papers?

Lee Doren
No, but renunciation I thought at the time was implicitly going to make it impossible for people to be politically active

Daniel Patrick
oops, sorry I’ll filter that through Xaq
lol

Liberty Tiger
I think C4L is the place for inside the system activism. I considered BC to be more radical, for activism challenging arbitrary authority.

Xaq Fixx
Moderators Question f Follow up: Is the political solution the only acceptable form of change (e.g. the civil disobedience of Thoreau, Gandhi, King and others?)

Neal ‘Jiutai’ Conner
So lets just start the Great Purge of “non-politically active” members!

Xaq Fixx
-Please hold on the commentary for now, lets try to keep this a Q&A

Daniel Patrick
Everyone (including me), we’re trying to filter questions through Xaq who’s acting as moderator

Neal ‘Jiutai’ Conner 3:51 pm
Sure

Lee Doren 3:51 pm
…we need to start at first base….and the govern
ment is bigger than it ever has been
Our Country is bankrupt
They are going to micromanage energy
everyone will be poorer as a result
I think using the political system is the best way to stop all those things

Xaq Fixx
With clarification and Explanation: Do You support the Non-Aggression principal? Is it ever okay to initiate force or fraud against a fellow human?

Lee Doren
This takes a longer explanation so please be patient

Leo_the_Magnificent
I hate to say this, but it is simply a yes or no answer, imho. Sorry Xaq.

fonz85
nukes?

Lee Doren
If someone is running at you with a bat, can you shoot that person before he hits you over the head if in your best judgment he was going to hit you…I say yes.

Leo_the_Magnificent
That doesn’t violate the NAP.

Lee Doren 3:54 pm
My version of self-defense is broader than many of you
Well, what if someone is running at you with “Nukes”.-that is where I differ with many of you
I didn’t support the Iraq War
but…..

Xaq Fixx
There seems to be some confusion: Non-Aggression principal applies only to the initiation of force, it is different than pacifism…

Lee Doren
But I have a problem with telling people to rise up and throw off their oppressors, with our support, only to abandon them to slaughter later

Xaq Fixx
someone running at you with a bat has violated the NAP, you shooting them has not.

Lee Doren
So once we were there…I figured we had to support the people we promised, whether the promise shouldn’t have been given
But Xaq….

Leo_the_Magnificent
“we?”

fonz85
lord

Leo_the_Magnificent 3:56 pm
I didn’t promise them anything….

Luis
oh boy

Alex Habibi
its a collectivist thing, Leo

Lee Doren
I thought we should have taken out the N. Korean missile silo to prevent future escalation, to where we are now

Daniel Patrick
-Please hold on the commentary for now, lets try to keep this a Q&A

Lee Doren
You would have found that to be aggression

Mike Gogulski 3:56 pm
@Lee: I renounced my US citizenship in 2008. The manifesto I posted was written in 1980, and had nothing to do with that.

Xaq Fixx 3:57 pm
Next Question: Why do you slam leftists and Democrats and avoid criticizing Republicans? What’s with the nationalism?

Lee Doren 3:57 pm
If you can find a Republican that has any control over the situation, I’d love to find out
I’m pro-the United States
I love my Country
You may associate that with Nationalism
But, I believe I won the lottery on where to be born

Xaq Fixx 3:59 pm
This may require clarification from the orioginal asker: why did he delete the forum, EVERY member has the right to post on the forum, so his “not sure of my limits” thing won’t save him there.

Lee Doren 4:00 pm
I assumed wrong…
I really am not sure what needs to be clarified
NQ

Xaq Fixx 4:02 pm
how much research did you do into BC before taking the gig
lets try that again: How much research and how familiar with BC were you before accpeting the CiC position?

Lee Doren 4:02 pm
Quite a bit…the origin, the membership…I listened to your podcasts, watched the YouTube videos just about everything
I wasn’t naive before I accepted
I even saw the protest where people protested against a drug company and you folks were the counter-protest
I looked at the contraband
nq

Xaq Fixx 4:04 pm
how can you believe in a libertarian noninterventionist govt when you have been molding this website to fit your own beliefs

Lee Doren 4:04 pm
I never added anything in support of non-interventionism
I’m sorry
I mean against non-interventionism
Other people posted prior videos of mine that some felt were “neocon”
nq

Xaq Fixx 4:05 pm
What level of input/control over BC’s direction will the current supporters/activists have?

Lee Doren 4:05 pm
Quite a bit

Leo_the_Magnificent 4:05 pm
In comparision to what?
(sorry)

Lee Doren 4:06 pm
It will be the same as it was
My confusion, which was cleared up today is that even my addition of stuff needs to be approved

Daniel Patrick 4:06 pm
Who approves it?

Lee Doren 3:06 pm
My bosses

Xaq Fixx 3:07 pm
Moderators perogative: What are your bosses poisitons on the statesless society?

Lee Doren 3:07 pm
I took my stuff down earlier because I didn’t relize that

Xaq Fixx 3:07 pm
i.e. will they support the removal of voluntaryist content?

Lee Doren 3:08 pm
No
They are very supportive of open content
total open content
very supportive of open debate
nq

Xaq Fixx
Next Question: Are you a registered Republican?

Lee Doren
I might be…and lm not trying to play you for a fool….
I was registered independent
I may have registered Republican before the Primaries
But, I found out that IL didn’t required a Party ID to vote Republican
so I don’t remember if I ever registered or not

Chad Swarthout
(fyi for some: Illinois lets you pick ballot on election day)

Xaq Fixx
You state, “I do support Israel” in http://rightwingnews.com/mt331 /2009/05/answering_questions_and_new_de.php?comments=show#comments ? Is that support unconditional?
What are your views on well-documented Israeli state war crimes, the enclosure of the Gaza strip, and so on?
sorry, that was a longer multi-part one

Lee Doren 4:11 pm
it is not unconditional
nq

Xaq Fixx
Are members of Bureaucrash required to be subject to a nation state then? If they refuse to submit will they also be banned? 4:12 pm
This is a follow up to Mike G’s ban

Lee Doren
No, but I thought at the time that members who encouraged the renunciation of the United States would make it impossible to have a grassroots movement

Xaq Fixx
How does your stance on immigration square with Bureaucrash’s “Immi-Great” initiative? In reference to this story: http://copiousdissent.blogspot.com/2007/06/todays-illegal-alien-crime.html

Lee Doren 4:14 pm
I never wrote that
My friend who used to be on my blog was Red wolverine
But…
My personal stance is that we need to support removing welfare programs before we can have open everyone in immigration
And laws that hospitals must take in everyone
Hospitals are shutting down all over the country

Xaq Fixx
Where should activists go if they want to fight the very political system you support?

Daniel Patrick
sorry….http://bureaucrashsocial.ning.com/chat/index/popOutWindow

Lee Doren
Tea Parties, blogs, YouTube, school boards, town hall meetings

Daniel Patrick
oops

Lee Doren
local governments work best
colleges

Pete Eyre
what about self-government?

Lee Doren
lm for self-government via Federalism

Leo_the_Magnificent
Uh?

Lee Doren
I think if you want a voluntary society, limit the federal government use the state government to remove as many rules and restrictions as possible
nq

Leo_the_Magnificent 4:18 pm
What about the individual?

Pete Eyre
lee – what makes the arbitrary political boundaries that define states any more relevant or legitimate than nation-state boundaries?

Lee Doren
I don’t find them arbitrary…people died to have those boundaries

fonz85 4:20 pm
how can a tax be fair?

Xaq Fixx
Did CEI explicitly gave him carte blanche to completely refocus the direction and focus of BC regardless of the desire of the overwhelming majority of its members?

Daniel Patrick
People die for Jesus and Allah too, but that’s pretty arbitrary

Xaq Fixx
Pete – Fonz, please send the questions my way

Mike Gogulski
(again, to all, please channel your questions to Xaq Fixx, to keep this orderly, and keep commentary to a minimum for the moment)

Lee Doren
no…not at all.

Jason Talley
Another reason to dislike borders, people die for them

Michael Lowry
hey, I like jesus!
sorry

Daniel Patrick 4:21 pm
sorry!

XXXXX

Lee Doren 4:34 pm
nq

Xaq Fixx
how did the commerce clause protect anyone before 1934? The income tax was put in place long before that, and so was the fed.

Lee Doren
Because the Supreme Court declared almost everything that Congress passed unconstitutional
the Income tax has nothing to do with the commerce clause
After FDR threatened to pack the court the commerce clause changed
nq

Xaq Fixx
Why don’t you support the gold standard (sound money) and abolishing the Fed?

Lee Doren 4:36 pm
I read Money Mischief by Milton Friedman
The gold Standard resolves many problems but the public needs to understand that there are several different gold standards
and bimetallic standards
and tradeoffs
I think just saying, “Hey, lets abolish the Fed and go with gold” requires a….”And then what?” answer

XXX

Xaq Fixx 4:40 pm
Do you support the Nuking of innocent individuals in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Would you support nuking individuals in the future?

Lee Doren
Yes, and this requires a very long explanation

fonz85
rethink this

Lee Doren
no, you’ll see

Daniel Patrick

Laur
I have time, explain.

Lee Doren 4:42 pm
When we invaded several of the W. Pacific islands, we realized that we were dealing with a death cult…the Japanese soldiers were on suicide missions
In order to end the war we had to defeat Japan
Japan was training their 9-year-olds and women on the mainland to fight with bamboo sticks to the death if we invaded
Even after Stalin attacked Japan, Japan didn’t surrender
We were planning X-day—to invade all of Japan
That meant in order for us to win the War, would have to have killed every man woman and child we saw

XXX

Xaq Fixx 4:49 pm
Do you support marriage between consenting individuals? What role should the state have in marriage?

Lee Doren
In theory lm for the States not getting involved in Marriage

Michael Lowry
Request for clarification, in theory?

Jason Talley
but in practice?

Lee Doren
We need to accept that means that Atheists are not longer going to be able to get married
And just say that this is all contractual then

Matt
Sorry to interject, but who deals with the contracts then? The government, or the private sector?

Lee Doren
Nevertheless, I do accept, even though it is not my view that States have a right to define marriage as male female, while providing the dignity of Same Sex couples to have civil unions

Lee Doren
the Private sector

Daniel Patrick
haha, why wouldn’t atheists be able to get married?

Lee Doren 4:52 pm
Because there would be no “marriage” as it has been understood fonz85

Lee Doren 4:45 pm
So we dropped the first bomb—and they still didn’t surrender

fonz85
So we are all military then?

Lee Doren 4:45 pm
We dropped the 2nd and they did

fonz85 4:45 pm
So china would be justified in nuking us

Lee Doren
That saved millions and millions of Japanese lives

Michael Lowry
@all moderating through Xaq

Lee Doren
It was total Japaneses War where we literally invade and kill every man woman and child or drop two nukes
Surrender was the third option
I choice the Nukes
nq

Xaq Fixx
Do you agree with Michelle Malkin that putting Japanese Americans in concentration camps was a good thing?

Lee Doren 4:47 pm
No, but here point was that because of the suicidal culture at the time, and the knowledge of spies, we couldn’t have allowed them all on the defensive XXX mainland to sabotage our military
nq

Xaq Fixx 4:47 pm
Will you attend Porc Fest?

Lee Doren
Depends on the dates, I have to move to Wash, and figure out how to be sworn into the Wash. D.C. bar
nq

Daniel Patrick
June 24-29?

Xaq Fixx
Do you ever listen to Free Talk Live? (FTL Listeners is the biggest Bureaucrash group)

Lee Doren
no to daniel then…
No, but lm a huge Talk radio fan

Xaq Fixx
Do you support marriage between consenting individuals? What role should the state have in marriage?

Lee Doren
In theory I’m for the States not getting involved in Marriage

Michael Lowry
Request for clarification, in theory?

Jason Talley
but in practice?

Matt 4:50 pm
:)

Lee Doren
We need to accept that means that Atheists are not longer going to be able to get married
And just say that this is all contractual then

Matt 4:52 pm
Sorry to interject, but who deals with the contracts then? The government, or the private sector?

Lee Doren 4:52 pm
Nevertheless, I do accept, even though it is not my view that States have a right to define marriage as male female, while providing the dignity of Same Sex couples to have civil unions
the Private sector

Daniel Patrick
haha, why wouldn’t atheists be able to get married?

Lee Doren
Because there would be no “marriage” as it has been understood

fonz85
universalist

Lee Doren
it would be a contract simply

fonz85 4:53 pm
etc.

Lee Doren 4:53 pm
nq

Xaq Fixx 4:53 pm
Can any illicit narcotic be used responsibly?

Lee Doren
I’m for legalization of all drugs, but I don’t endorse any of their use
I take the same position as William F. Buckley and Milton Friedman
nq

Michael Lowry
what about decriminalization as opposed to legalization?

Xaq Fixx
Do you fear that endorsing Bureaucrash on your youtube Channel would cause any of your subscribers to get angry due to content on Bureaucrash that they disagree with?

Lee Doren
Portugal has done well with decrim…

Lee Doren
Well, if we work out a solution where everyone knows that it is unmoderated and there is no endorsement by Bureaucrash then no
Originally I did because of the Renunciation of the US, 9/11 truth—etc
1 have anarchist fans that love my stuff on YouTube

Michael Lowry
“suppressed laughter”

Lee Doren 4:56 pm
they hate me when 1 talk GO Political stuff
It is a running joke
They tell me to stick to econ topics
I tell them once a month I’ll give a foreign policy position and they can hate me for a day
nq

Xaq Fixx 4:57 pm
What about getting the government out of all drugs business – FDA as well as illicit substances?

Lee Doren
Totally agree
nq

Xaq Fixx
Does the second amendment support the individual ownership of ALL weapons, and should it?

Creg Newburn
Of course not, and no, it shouldn’t.

Mike Gogulski
(to all recently joining, moderated discussion, please send questions to Xaq Fixx privately)

Lee Doren
I draw a line, but I’m against the assault weapons ban
I’m not for pocket nukes

Michael Lowry
Where is the line?

Lee Doren 5:00 pm
What is an arm?
I guess that’s the line
I don’t think people would think of nukes as an arm
nq

Xaq Fixx
Did you support the Bush administrations indefinite detention of “enemy combatants”, and do you see any difference between Indefinite detention and the obama administrations newly announced prolonged detention. And Do you view these policies as a dir

Justo Montoya
jason
awesome eminent domain video

Lee Doren
My view is that there isn’t a good solution right now…

Justo Montoya
the you tube video doesn’t show the link at the end

Jason Talley
(thanks… private message me)

Lee Doren
In WWII, we just summarily executed people

Mike Gogulski
(To all recently joining: moderated discussion with Lee Doren, please send questions to Xaq Fixx privately)

Lee Doren 5:02 pm
Geneva Conventions don’t apply to people w/out uniforms
Here we didn’t summarily executed suicidal lunatics and took them home with us — and now we don’t know what to do with them
If we put them in our courts, then they get Maranda rights

Greg Newburn 5:03 pm
(Miranda)

Lee Doren
which they didn’t get clearly
yeah, I’m typing fast
So are we going pay for their lawyers, because they have no money?

Creg Newburn
(yes)

Lee Doren
Where are we going to put them?

Daniel Patrick
Actually, we don’t know what those people are or if they’re guilty of anything

Creg Newburn
(prison, if convicted)

Daniel Patrick
They haven’t had trials

Xaq Fixx
And Do you view these policies as a direct attack on the american people?

Michael Lowry 5:04 pm
@all, still moderated discussion…

Xaq Fixx
rest of the previous question

Creg Newburn
(sorry)

Lee Doren
No, because the Constitution has never been applied to enemies on the battlefield in a time of war.. but we wanted to have it both ways
We didn’t want to kill them
But, now we don’t want to try them

Xaq Fixx
Are you aware that Americans are being held indefinitely in the United States? do you support indefinite detention of Americans?
Lee Doren
NO
Like the Iraq War, there isn’t a good solution

Michael Lowry
brb

Xaq Fixx
@all. I have to leave at 5:30, we can end this then, or start up again at 8PM EST (If Lee is willing).

Lee Doren 5:07 pm
I’d have to say that there should be some form of Tribunal for Due process but I’m not going to pay for their lawyers etc.
I have dinner soon
Look. all I ask is thiss……

fonz85
resign

Lee Doren
lol

Lee Doren
I work quickly…it is my nature
This isn’t my Pet Project
lm not turning it into a Republican Website
I am keeping all of your material—.and even getting approval before I add my own content
I am sensitive to the concerns that people have because many of you don’t know me
I am sensitive to the concerns that my views differ with many of yours

Matt
Lee, do you think we would still have our “rights” even if the Constitution did not exist?

Justo Montoya
lee how can you effectively be a chief of an organization that is so different ideologically from you?

Lee Doren
But, from now on I am proceeding slowly to not scare anyone

fonz85 5:09 pm
like the govt

Lee Doren 5:09 pm
Because l’ve done grassroots activism

Justo Montoya
ok

Lee Doren
From the Left—.of which I currently have no affiliation and do not agree with currently
I trained the staff of people to be active in their community
I have don’t the real in the neighborhoods stuff
done”
I’ve been in the streets

fonz85
Community organizer? sounds familiar

Lee Doren
I’ve built organizations

Luis
hahaha

Justo Montoya
that’s good

Xaq Fixx
Alright, we have 20 minutes and 8 more questions… 1 think we can get thourgh them

Mike Gogulski 5:11 pm
(@all this is still a moderated discussion)

Lee Doren 5:11 pm
nq

Xaq Fixx
Please don’t send me anymore—

Luis
death penalty, for or against?

Xaq Fixx
What kind of activism, outside training activist, have you done?

Lee Doren
I worked for Clean Water Action 5:11 pm
I worked as a Canvasser and trained their staff
I went door to door visiting 1000s of people to get legislation passed
and to contribute funding

fonz85
for clean water?

Lee Doren
I was then asked to cross train to another org to train their staff
They worked on several things

Luis 5:13 pm
death penalty, for or against?

Lee Doren 5:13 pm
I also built a fraternity from scratch at Michigan

Justo Montoya 5:13 pm
cool

Lee Doren
to where it was the largest on campus in 3 years
I was VP there by my Sophomore year

Xaq Fixx
Luis, please hold off on the questions

Lee Doren
nq

Xaq Fixx
5 favorite books?

Justo Montoya
that’s an impressive resume lee

Lee Doren
Thomas Sowell’s Basic Econ, 3rd Edition
Thomas Sowell’s Applied Economics
Capitalism and Freedom by MF
this is tough for the last two

Greg Newburn 5:15 pm
Hannity, “Deliver Us From Evil”?
(sorry).

Lee Doren 5:15 pm
No, but Mark Levin’s Liberty and Tyranny was great

Greg Newburn
oh boy.

Matt
(oh god)

Xaq Fixx
@all, be kind

Lee Doren
I like the Constitution in Exile by Napolitano

Xaq Fixx
Why does there need to be a statement of non-endorsement of views by Bureaucrash now, when there hasn’t been in the past? Why the change?

Greg Newburn
That was only 4!

Lee Doren
i know it was four…lm having a hard time deciding

Xaq Fixx
sorry

Lee Doren
lll leave it at 4 for now
You’re trying to do rapid fire

Xaq Fixx
“I was told there would be no math”

Lee Doren 5:17 pm
lol
The reason is because there are people who agree with you that come here, assume an endorsement and leave
You don’t even get a chance to say hello
They see something and don’t realize this is an open forum
they see support for XYZ
nq

Michael Lowry 5:18 pm
why not put a disclaimer on HTWW then, instead of sanitizing?

Xaq Fixx
If the Constitution didn’t exist, would we still have rights?

Lee Doren
Because I support everything I say
Yes, but if you can figure a better way for the government to protect them, ld like to hear it
nq

Xaq Fixx
Do you support or oppose the Death penalty, as carried out by the state?

Lee Doren
This is where 1 differ from most even mainstream libertarians

Michael Lowry 5:20 pm
…

Lee Doren 5:20 pm
People who commit murder end up killing prison guards, non-violent prisoners, escape and kill more people…! cannot accept that murderers are allowed to live

Greg Newburn
lol

Lee Doren
I think 100% of you would disagree

Luis
yesh

Matt
Well 99.9% would disagree with the state’s existence, so yes

Lee Doren
Okay, well, at least you know I said that knowing I would be in the minority
nq

Mike Gogulski
(@all PLEASE hold off for the next 10 minutes. Xaq will finish the moderated portion of this)

Xaq Fixx 5:21 pm
Final Question/s: Do you believe you’ll be an effective manager of an organization where you have already made such a bad impression and where there is unprecedented opposition to you being hired?
Do you think its still possible to succeed in your work with Bureaucrash, given the strong and rapid community opposition? If so, how do we get from here to there?
(there should not be a smiley there)

Lee Doren 5:22 pm
This is what I do best…
People were going to be upset no matter who took the position

Michael Lowry 5:22 pm
“suppressed laughter returns violently”

Luis
no

Lee Doren
You wanted someone you knew is what I meant
What I can offer is the ability to train and build a grassroots movement

Chase
I hate to intrude but Lee, I think your condescension bothered us terribly

Michael Lowry
No, we wanted someone who actually represented most of us.

Mike Gogulski
Guys please let LEE finish answering.

Lee Doren
I made 4 comments in 48 hrs…I think you really need to turn the tables and see who was not welcomed before anything happened

Mike Gogulski
(and girls)

Lee Doren 5:24 pm
okay so…
I can build a grassroots movement
l’ve done it
l’ve trained people
If you want to know how to make your goals heard, I can do that
I can introduce you to a larger audience where you have the opportunity to persuade them
My issues, if you met me in person is that I work very quickly on everything I do
That is how I have been successful in the past

Pete Eyre
know the definition of hubris?

Lee Doren
But, for this instance…I have to work slowly at first

Matt
Grassroots movement that supports—. what?

Lee Doren
Yes Pete
Liberty

kcalvelli
What?

Michael Lowry
Rothbard: “Government is essentially the negation of liberty”

Daniel Patrick 5:27 pm
Hubris (/hju : bns/)’ is a term used in modern English to indicate overweening pride, superciliousness, or arrogance, often resulting in fatal retribution or nemesis.

Lee Doren
Yes, I agree with that statement

Michael Lowry
so then how can you advance liberty and support government?

Matt
Ludwig von Mises: ‘The issue is always the same: the government or the market. There is no third solution.”

Lee Doren
Because look around you
We’re bankrupt

Michael Lowry
I look around me and I see agorism
BECAUSE OF GOVT.
Government is the problem, not the solution.

Matt
So get rid of it entirely?

Lee Doren 5:28 pm
The government is at an all-time power control in this country
and we need to get to first place first

Xaq Fixx 5:28 pm
Thank You All, and good night

Matt
If I have cancer, I want all of it gone, not part of it.

Lee Doren
first base*

Michael Lowry 5:28 pm
Thanks xaq.

kcalvelli
Night Xaq!

Chase
night Xaq! You were wonderful! Thanks

jester
See ya Xaq

Pete Eyre
peace bro

Luis
cya xaq

Michael Lowry
@matt, ever hear of surgery? works for a lot of cancers, removes a whole tumor.

Greg Newburn 5:29 pm
Matt, Mises wasn’t an anarchist.

Lee Doren
My point is this

Daniel Patrick 5:29 pm
Even when I was a mainstream Libertarian, I was open to the idea of the being no government. I was just skeptical. You think that ONLY a government can protect rights. And in

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