Third Party Watch talks shit on Burning Porc’s LP mock funeral

Posted on July 24th, 2008 by bile Tags: , , , , , , , 4 Comments »

http://thirdpartywatch.com/…

Some of the losers in the Libertarian Party—those who didn’t want Bob Barr to get the nomination—just aren’t moving on. Here, a bunch of them in New Hampshire hold a mock funeral for Barr and the LP. If you have as much beer and perhaps other stuff as they apparently had, it might qualify as amateurish dark humor—call it the Barr Witch Project. Especially when “Bob Barr” loses his head, and a dog takes interest. Ohmigosh, is he really going to carry it off into the woods?!

Obviously being bought by a conservative, Bob Barr supporter hasn’t tainted the site. Take a look at the comments too. These people don’t have a clue of what the FSP members have accomplished. These party loyalists and second class politicos can keep their party. While they hang out at their debate club and waste time with Robert’s rules of order the rest of us will be trying to make real gains in the fight for freedom.

FSP’s Liberty Forum Day Two

Posted on January 5th, 2008 by bile Categories and Tags: Uncategorized, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , ,
  • 10:00AM Sharon Harris from Advocates for Self-Government gave the opening speech this morning. She talked about how the liberty movement needs to start working toward honing our delivery of the freedom message. Libertarians, especially those who are active in the movement, tend to be more abstract thinkers. More logical progression of ideas whereas the majority of people are more emotional “think with the heart” types. We talk about abstract rights and wrongs and less practical examples but we need practical real world examples for those who aren’t generally like us.
  • Chris Lawless informs us the hotel doesn’t want us to open carry.
  • We ran into Glen Jacobs very briefly. He is better known as Kane from the WWE. He’s fairly well known as a libertarian and recently publicly supported Ron Paul for President. I believe he is also a member of the FSP. We unfortunately didn’t get an opportunity to get a photo with him but if he’s still around tomorrow or Sunday we surely will.
  • 12PMish xyz and I checkin to the hotel and while walking out to the car we see the John McCain’s campaign bus. While walking in we discuss stopping Mr. McCain and telling him that after his argument with Romney over whether or not water boarding is torture we decided to try it out ourselves and agreed with him that it indeed torture. As we walk through the automatic doors into the lobby and are talking about this I nearly run into McCain as my head is turned talking to xyz behind me. I got out of the way in time however and diverted my knocking over of a 72y/o presidential candidate which would have been picked up on the camera which was following him.
  • 1:00PM xyz and myself attend Gardner Goldsmith’s presentation on immigration. I listen to his radio show so little was new but it’s very enjoyable to interact with fellow Liberty Forum attendees in asking questions and whatnot. Robert Schulz of We the People Foundation also gave a very good lecture I heard. xyz and I did however get a chance to talk with him while waiting in line for dinner.
  • 2:30PM I attended Don Gorman’s lecture on Becoming an Effective Activist but it effectively was a sales pitch for the FSP and how easy it is to participate in politics and protest in NH. xyz attended Peter Bagge’s presentation on his work for Reason Magazine and his art in general.
  • 4:00PM Thomas Eddlem gave a lecture on how the current administration has been disobeying the Constitution. Particularly the 4th, 6th, and 8th Amendments. He however blew things out of proportion a bit in describing how it could be used against the average citizen. While it’s certainly an issue to say that it’s just as probable that I would be locked up and the key thrown away without trial is the same as some guy picked up who has the same name as a known terrorist and himself has a criminal record is ridiculous.
  • Chatted with another Libertarian Party presidential candidate: Michael P. Jingozian. Reminded him that I believe he was invited to the Manhattan LP’s Annual Convention. He said he forgot to look into whether he could attend and took some contact info. We’ll see.
  • Nearly had dinner with Gardner but it turned out the table we picked already was filled besides the two chairs we picked. However, those who had reserved those seats were people we had previously had discussions with during the cocktail hour. Including Ed Hudgins from The Atlas Society. Talked about hard money.
  • The keynote speaker for the evening was Bernard von NotHaus of the Liberty Dollar. He came out dressed as the ghost of a Revolutionary solder, Capt. Roughseas, who was sent by the Founding fathers informing us to take care of this fiat money system that’s corrupted the US. Complete with sabre. It was a bit odd but generally entertaining. Nothing that probably more than half of them in attendance hadn’t heard before.

Dave Ridley’s Ridley Reports from the first night:

Is voting immoral?

Posted on November 14th, 2007 by bile Categories and Tags: Uncategorized, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , 6 Comments »

On the 11/13/2007 episode (conversation started on the day before) of FreeTalkLive the topic of an anarchist/minarchist or political/apolitical split in the freedom movement (the Free State Project specifically) came up. It has come up primarily as a result of the Lauren Canario incident recently where she was jailed for just over a month for not participating with authorities after being pulled over for speeding. Some in the FSP spoke out against her actions publicly which has upset some individuals both political and apolitical. Dale, a Free State member, who xyz and myself met while canvassing for Ron Paul in New Hampshire, called and discussed the situation with Mark primarily. It seems that Dale, after speaking with some other FSP members has changed from political to apolitical and no longer believes voting to be a moral action. Also in discussion is support between the two groups and compromises. Is it reasonable to expect the apolitical to vote even if they disagree with it in order to support those who support them when they do civil disobedience which is felt to be pointless, impractical means to their end and possibly detrimental to the cause? A problem I see is that it is unlikely the political will find the apoliticals’ actions immoral whereas the apoliticals feel the politicals’ are. However, as I point out here, many things the apoliticals do, by their definition as I understand it, are immoral and it seems voting has been given an arbitrary extra immoral status.



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