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Looks like we have a new contact address. H/T to bile.

It’s been about two weeks since I last sent an email to the ANSA.

To Whom this May Concern

My last two emails have gone unanswered by your organization.
I would appreciate a response to the questions I have listed below.

Editing your website is not an acceptable alternative.

Thank you.

As intended, I will continue to contact them until I receive a reply.

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I called Free Talk Live last night to give an overview of what xyz and myself have been doing with regards to Service Nation and Americans for a National Service Act. I was on for two whole segments after the first in the first hour I believe. Nothing was said that hasn’t been brought up already here. Got a few plugs.

After not receiving a reply from the ANSA to my first letter and after noticing them changing their website a few times, I decided to send them another email:

To Whom This May Concern:

I see that your website has changed to accommodate inquiries on:

• those that wish not to participate in mandatory service
• is mandatory service constitutional?

I have a few questions:

You fail to explain the consequences of not participating in mandatory service.

1. What do YOU think should happen if I or others chose not to participate?

You also say that mandatory service is constitutional, alluding to Supreme Court cases that held civic obligations over individual rights. Just because the Supreme Court has ruled in favor, it doesn’t make it constitutional: Roe v Wade, Jim Crow Laws, Brown v Board of Education. The Supreme Court has changed their opinion before.

The Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution makes involuntary servitude illegal under any US jurisdiction whether at the hands of the US government or in the private sphere, except as punishment for a crime.

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

2. What crime are you accusing me of committing and finding me guilty for?

I also noticed that your organization recently added that they do not prefer either means of national service; voluntary or mandatory.

Americans for a National Service Act supports whichever program works best and gets the job done.

I find the indifference of this statement alarming. Your organization’s vision for this country shows complete disregard for the individual rights and freedoms of the people that inhabit it–the same people that you wish to put into mandatory service if it is “determined” the best program available.

You also mention “gets the job done.”

3. What exactly is the end goal?

4. And what scale will you use to measure when your vision has been attained?

We also believe that in order to sustain that involvement there needs to be a system.

5. Can you elaborate more on this “system” and explain how it would enforce and sustain said involvement?

I’d like to thank you in advance for answering all my questions.

I’ll continue to send them emails until I hear back from them.
As far as I’m concerned, edits to their website are not acceptable responses to my questions.

http://nationalserviceact.org/

This website presents information for both voluntary and mandatory National Service.  This begs the question of which type of National Service does ANSA prefer.

Neither.

Americans for a National Service Act supports whichever program works best and gets the job done.  Our fundamental belief is that the key to solving our Nation’s problems and strengthening our democracy is more involvement from average Americans, not less.  We also believe that in order to sustain that involvement there needs to be a system.  Other than that, we try to collect and present as many ideas for National Service as we can get our hands on.  We assert that all plans should be thoroughly considered and discussed.  That being said, it’s ultimately up to you to debate and decide which ideas and programs you like best.  As part of this we encourage you to take the ‘Choose Your Own National Service Act’ Survey.  The results are being compiled.

This is new. Also changed… the Affiliates page (http://nationalserviceact.org/11.html) is gone. I should have made a complete backup yesterday but I didn’t. Google does have a cached version though.

Seems to me this answer “Neither” is bullshit. If you spend any amount of time reading over their site, unless they have altered it in the past week, you can clearly see that they want voluntary as a stepping stone to mandatory.

Look at the cached version vs the current version [backup] of the FAQ page in “How is voluntary National Service any different than our current system?” These sentences were removed just since yesterday:

Also, remember that the initial purpose of voluntary national service is not to provide an end-state solution but to motivate millions of Americans to serve.  This will begin the cultural transformation that will put us on the road to becoming a nation of universal national service.

It looks like that’s the only thing that has changed on the FAQ unless otherwise noted.

Laurie,

I had a talk with a our leadership. They verified for me that ANSA is in part of our coaliation and nothing more. We are not an affiliate nor our the remaining members of our coalition.

There seems to have a misunderstanding between the folks at ANSA and us. We are working with clarify that and their website will be updated accordingly.

Best,
–
Henri Makembe
Be the Change, Inc.
202.778.3553 (office)
www.bethechangeinc.org

By definition, an affiliate is:

–noun

7. a branch organization.
8. Commerce

1. a business concern owned or controlled in whole or part by another concern.
2. a subsidiary

ANSA is an affiliate of Service Nation.

ANSA implies (regardless of the statement on their website) that Be The Change, Inc. is an affiliate of theirs.

How could Be The Change, Inc. be an affiliate of Service Nation when they run it?

Even if ANSA is being deceptive it doesn’t change the questionable relationships there seems to be between the many coalition members and sponsers.