Comments on: The i-Patriot Act is coming http://blogofbile.com/2008/08/06/the-i-patriot-act-is-coming/ from the bowels of the mind Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:34:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: bile http://blogofbile.com/2008/08/06/the-i-patriot-act-is-coming/#comment-2329 bile Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:56:41 +0000 http://blogofbile.com/?p=1472#comment-2329 <blockquote>So if monitoring and reporting of traffic were in the service agreements of an ISP, or upstream connection, what can be done?</blockquote> Show me in the contract where giving data to the government is. Show me where the government has the authority in the Constitution to do these things. You act as if government is just another player in the field. They are the refs with guns pointed at everyone. They are not supposed to nor should they be treated the same. I don't care about the number of players... i care about the men with the guns.

So if monitoring and reporting of traffic were in the service agreements of an ISP, or upstream connection, what can be done?

Show me in the contract where giving data to the government is. Show me where the government has the authority in the Constitution to do these things. You act as if government is just another player in the field. They are the refs with guns pointed at everyone. They are not supposed to nor should they be treated the same. I don’t care about the number of players… i care about the men with the guns.

]]> By: beetlbumjl http://blogofbile.com/2008/08/06/the-i-patriot-act-is-coming/#comment-2326 beetlbumjl Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:01:31 +0000 http://blogofbile.com/?p=1472#comment-2326 So if monitoring and reporting of traffic were in the service agreements of an ISP, or upstream connection, what can be done?  Are you simply lamenting the fact that government has whittled down the number of players that it can effectively lobby them to do as they please? So if monitoring and reporting of traffic were in the service agreements of an ISP, or upstream connection, what can be done?  Are you simply lamenting the fact that government has whittled down the number of players that it can effectively lobby them to do as they please?

]]> By: bile http://blogofbile.com/2008/08/06/the-i-patriot-act-is-coming/#comment-2325 bile Wed, 06 Aug 2008 15:14:07 +0000 http://blogofbile.com/?p=1472#comment-2325 An individual driving on a private road would be trespassing if there was no explicit agreement. Therefore they can make any demands they wish for you to utilize their services. In that case there is no spying. It's no different from today and government. They make rules you have to follow to use their roads. It's just that they can change the rules at will and also is the enforcement and arbitration for those who don't follow them. Now-a-days? Very little. The 4th Amendment means almost nothing now. You'd need to be more specific really to comment further. An individual driving on a private road would be trespassing if there was no explicit agreement. Therefore they can make any demands they wish for you to utilize their services. In that case there is no spying. It’s no different from today and government. They make rules you have to follow to use their roads. It’s just that they can change the rules at will and also is the enforcement and arbitration for those who don’t follow them.

Now-a-days? Very little. The 4th Amendment means almost nothing now. You’d need to be more specific really to comment further.

]]> By: beetlbumjl http://blogofbile.com/2008/08/06/the-i-patriot-act-is-coming/#comment-2324 beetlbumjl Wed, 06 Aug 2008 14:29:45 +0000 http://blogofbile.com/?p=1472#comment-2324 <em>...to do realtime analysis of all traffic passing through it...</em> Shout out to my man, Rob at the NSA. Question for you, bile. As a proponent for privately owned roads, what degree of inspection (or spying if you will) would be permitted by the owner of the road? What expectation of privacy does our law supposedly set when acting on private property? (Ignoring for now that the state actively manages who can own this property.) …to do realtime analysis of all traffic passing through it…
Shout out to my man, Rob at the NSA.

Question for you, bile. As a proponent for privately owned roads, what degree of inspection (or spying if you will) would be permitted by the owner of the road? What expectation of privacy does our law supposedly set when acting on private property? (Ignoring for now that the state actively manages who can own this property.)

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