OTN Pays a Visit to Their City Council Meeting
Posted on July 29th, 2008 by bile Tags: 1st Amendment, City Council, court, Free Keene, Free State Project, Free Talk Live, freedom, Ian Bernard, liberty, New Hampshire, Sam Dodson, Texas, Texas Constitution, US ConstitutionIan Bernard of Free Talk Live posted this on the FreeKeene.com blog with this video:
Keene’s government people are hereby put on notice:
Everything you know is about to change. As each month goes by, more liberty loving activists will be moving into the Keene area. Please understand that voluntary interaction in a free market is the most humane method of interaction for mankind. These ideas of liberty are powerful and infectious. As our concentration and influence build, our ideas will become popular. Your government corporation will lose its most precious element of legitimacy as more and more people choose to ignore your dictates and live as free men and women.
Enjoy your coercive reign of the people in Keene while it lasts. I expect you’ll find your power over others diminishing over time, hopefully sooner rather than later, but I want to assure you that it is going to happen. Therefore, you should start thinking about products or services that you can offer into the marketplace on a voluntary basis, just like the rest of us peaceful people.
As a little taste of what is coming, here’s an what just one Keene-bound activist is doing down in his current home of Texas. Sam from the Obscured Truth Network will be arriving here sometime before the end of this year:
A little confrontational but assuming the velocity at which activists move to NH stays the same or increases he’s likely correct. At least the “is about to change” part. Not so sure about “everything.”
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July 30th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
Why limit yourself to the term “free market”? Why not go with the term free society so you can encompass those who don’t want anything to do with traditional market structure. I’d drop it completely and change the second sentence to:
Please understand that voluntary interaction is the most humane method of interaction for mankind.
July 30th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
Because it means the same thing. The fact you think of “market” in any particular way is your crutch, not his.
July 31st, 2008 at 8:29 am
From dictionary.com:
Market
–noun
1.
an open place or a covered building where buyers and sellers convene for the sale of goods; a marketplace: a farmers’ market.
2.
a store for the sale of food: a meat market.
3.
a meeting of people for selling and buying.
4.
the assemblage of people at such a meeting.
5.
trade or traffic, esp. as regards a particular commodity: the market in cotton.
6.
a body of persons carrying on extensive transactions in a specified commodity: the cotton market.
7.
the field of trade or business: the best shoes in the market.
8.
demand for a commodity: an unprecedented market for leather.
9.
a body of existing or potential buyers for specific goods or services: the health-food market.
10.
a region in which goods and services are bought, sold, or used: the foreign market; the New England market.
11.
current price or value: a rising market for shoes.
12.
stock market.
–verb (used without object)
13.
to buy or sell in a market; deal.
14.
to buy food and provisions for the home.
–verb (used with object)
15.
to carry or send to market for disposal: to market produce every week.
16.
to dispose of in a market; sell.
—Idioms
17.
at the market, at the prevailing price in the open market.
18.
in the market for, ready to buy; interested in buying: I’m in the market for a new car.
19.
on the market, for sale; available: Fresh asparagus will be on the market this week.
It seems pretty clear to me that a market almost always has to do with buying and selling.
July 31st, 2008 at 8:47 am
5. trade or traffic, esp. as regards a particular commodity: the market in cotton.
7. the field of trade or business: the best shoes in the market.
buy: To acquire by sacrifice, exchange, or trade
sell: To exchange ownership for money or its equivalent
Even a true communist society trades, buys and sells. Barter is trade, using labor credits is trade and is effectively money. It’s still a market.
July 31st, 2008 at 10:02 am
I reiterate, what if you don’t want to buy or sell? Then per definition it’s not a market.
July 31st, 2008 at 10:16 am
society: The totality of social relationships among humans.
Given: social relationships involve trade, it is practically impossible to have a group of individuals interacting without buying/selling : aka trade. You simply will not have a society of self sufficient rugged individualists. If you don’t want to trade with other people you very very very likely are not part of society.
Therefore: a free society equals a free market
Even if it’s your apple example you’d technically be trading apples for your pleasure of providing apples or making people happy. Just because it’s non-tangible does not discount a place in the equation.
July 31st, 2008 at 11:02 am
bile and bosco exchange definitions.. everyone take a drink.
July 31st, 2008 at 1:05 pm
@beetlbumjl
It’s called a drinking game, not drinking suicide. Jeez, with rules like you should join a frat.
@bile
Trade involves reciprocity. Economies can and have existed without the concept of reciprocity. There is no need to limit ones self to a market structure where buying and selling (trade) is the name of the game. You are reaching to make all actions fit the one model you understand.
July 31st, 2008 at 1:19 pm
No, you’re ignoring market components. All social interaction involves gain, reciprocity. Otherwise you would not act. If you have interaction between individuals you have trade.
Point me to a social system where people do/did not directly or indirectly trade.
July 31st, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Gift Economy
July 31st, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Did I not already cover this above?
July 31st, 2008 at 4:15 pm
bile claims, “we’ve already gone over this”, drink. :: hic :: ~~