Comments on: Woman blows .02 and gets three felony DUI convictions http://blogofbile.com/2008/05/26/woman-blows-02-and-gets-three-felony-dui-convictions/ from the bowels of the mind Fri, 05 Dec 2008 06:55:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: bile http://blogofbile.com/2008/05/26/woman-blows-02-and-gets-three-felony-dui-convictions/#comment-1843 bile Mon, 26 May 2008 21:04:27 +0000 http://www.landofbile.com/blog/2008/05/26/woman-blows-02-and-gets-three-felony-dui-convictions/#comment-1843 How reckless? Such that they are directly putting others in harms way. Otherwise if the road were privately owned whatever level they choose. A guy swerving in and out of traffic is a direct threat... a guy swerving on an empty road at 3am is not. We have laws about placing others in directly and explicit danger. Drunk driving laws and enforcement as we currently have are a guilty before innocent, victimless crime. How reckless? Such that they are directly putting others in harms way. Otherwise if the road were privately owned whatever level they choose. A guy swerving in and out of traffic is a direct threat… a guy swerving on an empty road at 3am is not.

We have laws about placing others in directly and explicit danger. Drunk driving laws and enforcement as we currently have are a guilty before innocent, victimless crime.

]]> By: bosco http://blogofbile.com/2008/05/26/woman-blows-02-and-gets-three-felony-dui-convictions/#comment-1844 bosco Mon, 26 May 2008 19:54:13 +0000 http://www.landofbile.com/blog/2008/05/26/woman-blows-02-and-gets-three-felony-dui-convictions/#comment-1844 @xyz <blockquote>why are you implying that the actions the police took were correct? </blockquote> You misunderstand.  If I wasn't trying to imply anything, I was hoping to convey that I would like some more of your input on how the situation should have been handled.  You gave me that input in your response.  The reason I ask is because this article is a perfect segway into the debate over preventative measures by law enforcement. @bile So reckless driving presents a clear and present danger to other people?  There are several shades of gray in there.  How reckless?  As far as the owners of a road taking preventative measures how preventative can they be? I'm willing to bet that you agree with me that if a private individual possesses a road they can take any preventative measures they wish.  That being said,  the state currently has a monopoly on roads, how preventative should their measures be? @xyz

why are you implying that the actions the police took were correct?

You misunderstand.  If I wasn’t trying to imply anything, I was hoping to convey that I would like some more of your input on how the situation should have been handled.  You gave me that input in your response.  The reason I ask is because this article is a perfect segway into the debate over preventative measures by law enforcement.

@bile

So reckless driving presents a clear and present danger to other people?  There are several shades of gray in there.  How reckless?  As far as the owners of a road taking preventative measures how preventative can they be? I’m willing to bet that you agree with me that if a private individual possesses a road they can take any preventative measures they wish.  That being said,  the state currently has a monopoly on roads, how preventative should their measures be?

]]> By: bile http://blogofbile.com/2008/05/26/woman-blows-02-and-gets-three-felony-dui-convictions/#comment-1845 bile Mon, 26 May 2008 19:27:41 +0000 http://www.landofbile.com/blog/2008/05/26/woman-blows-02-and-gets-three-felony-dui-convictions/#comment-1845 Being drunk and driving a vehicle in and of itself is not a threat to other individuals. The reckless driving that can result from being drunk is. If someone is driving recklessly then the owners of the road, in this case the government, can take preventive action to secure other drivers. In these cases it appears obvious that there was no one who was harmed or threatened with harm. Being drunk and driving a vehicle in and of itself is not a threat to other individuals. The reckless driving that can result from being drunk is. If someone is driving recklessly then the owners of the road, in this case the government, can take preventive action to secure other drivers. In these cases it appears obvious that there was no one who was harmed or threatened with harm.

]]> By: laur http://blogofbile.com/2008/05/26/woman-blows-02-and-gets-three-felony-dui-convictions/#comment-1846 laur Mon, 26 May 2008 19:11:45 +0000 http://www.landofbile.com/blog/2008/05/26/woman-blows-02-and-gets-three-felony-dui-convictions/#comment-1846 1. a crime requires a victim. there were no victims 2. the three people in the article were not driving recklessly or threatening anyone 3. because there were no victims, theres no justification for their arrest if no harm or injury was committed or inflicted, why were these actions taken? why are you implying that the actions the police took were correct? 1. a crime requires a victim. there were no victims
2. the three people in the article were not driving recklessly or threatening anyone
3. because there were no victims, theres no justification for their arrest

if no harm or injury was committed or inflicted, why were these actions taken?
why are you implying that the actions the police took were correct?

]]> By: bosco http://blogofbile.com/2008/05/26/woman-blows-02-and-gets-three-felony-dui-convictions/#comment-1847 bosco Mon, 26 May 2008 18:14:15 +0000 http://www.landofbile.com/blog/2008/05/26/woman-blows-02-and-gets-three-felony-dui-convictions/#comment-1847 So xyz, what do you propose to prevent this injustice?  Should the police be less vigilant in searching for drunk drivers?  Should they not pull people over based on hearsay?  This is a pretty common kind of article.  The articles about drunk drivers killing other people are also common.  My question is how would you amend the system?  That's the interesting part. So xyz, what do you propose to prevent this injustice?  Should the police be less vigilant in searching for drunk drivers?  Should they not pull people over based on hearsay?  This is a pretty common kind of article.  The articles about drunk drivers killing other people are also common.  My question is how would you amend the system?  That’s the interesting part.

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