Comments on: New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer under investigation for meeting with a prostitute http://blogofbile.com/2008/03/10/new-york-gov-eliot-spitzer-under-investigation-for-meeting-with-a-prostitute/ from the bowels of the mind Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:11:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: bosco http://blogofbile.com/2008/03/10/new-york-gov-eliot-spitzer-under-investigation-for-meeting-with-a-prostitute/#comment-1513 bosco Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:27:11 +0000 http://www.landofbile.com/blog/2008/03/10/new-york-gov-eliot-spitzer-under-investigation-for-meeting-with-a-prostitute/#comment-1513 It's OK, you're always allowed to contribute more, we'll just have to make a special table for you in the "enhanced edition".  I also think we should start using 11 sided dice. I think the perceived link between alcohol, sex and crime is what the puritans left us with.  It's that link that gets us. It’s OK, you’re always allowed to contribute more, we’ll just have to make a special table for you in the "enhanced edition".  I also think we should start using 11 sided dice.

I think the perceived link between alcohol, sex and crime is what the puritans left us with.  It’s that link that gets us.

]]> By: beetlbumjl http://blogofbile.com/2008/03/10/new-york-gov-eliot-spitzer-under-investigation-for-meeting-with-a-prostitute/#comment-1512 beetlbumjl Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:47:47 +0000 http://www.landofbile.com/blog/2008/03/10/new-york-gov-eliot-spitzer-under-investigation-for-meeting-with-a-prostitute/#comment-1512 Oh crap, I just broke bosco's blog of bile the dice game edition rules.  <a href="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=980CE1DE103FF932A2575BC0A9679C8B63&scp=1&sq=flooz&st=nyt" rel="nofollow">Here</a> you go.  Fixed. Oh crap, I just broke bosco’s blog of bile the dice game edition rules.  Here you go.  Fixed.

]]> By: beetlbumjl http://blogofbile.com/2008/03/10/new-york-gov-eliot-spitzer-under-investigation-for-meeting-with-a-prostitute/#comment-1511 beetlbumjl Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:45:12 +0000 http://www.landofbile.com/blog/2008/03/10/new-york-gov-eliot-spitzer-under-investigation-for-meeting-with-a-prostitute/#comment-1511 2 - Easy, the puritans had a part in setting our country's initial conditions.   Are these conditions still in play today?  I can't say directly, but it sure feels as if their spirit lives on with respect to our sex, alcohol and drug laws.  On to "leaning".   In each of your examples I have given weight to personal freedoms as well as the greater implications of said actions.  These are not limited to just the individuals involved.  I know, right, who am I to do this.  3 - Nah, he should have paid with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flooz.com" rel="nofollow">Flooz</a>. 2 - Easy, the puritans had a part in setting our country’s initial conditions.   Are these conditions still in play today?  I can’t say directly, but it sure feels as if their spirit lives on with respect to our sex, alcohol and drug laws. 

On to "leaning".   In each of your examples I have given weight to personal freedoms as well as the greater implications of said actions.  These are not limited to just the individuals involved.  I know, right, who am I to do this. 

3 - Nah, he should have paid with Flooz.

]]> By: bosco http://blogofbile.com/2008/03/10/new-york-gov-eliot-spitzer-under-investigation-for-meeting-with-a-prostitute/#comment-1510 bosco Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:40:52 +0000 http://www.landofbile.com/blog/2008/03/10/new-york-gov-eliot-spitzer-under-investigation-for-meeting-with-a-prostitute/#comment-1510 I shall pay you in Antimony.  I have deposited 0.89 metric tons of it in your trunk. I shall pay you in Antimony.  I have deposited 0.89 metric tons of it in your trunk.

]]> By: bile http://blogofbile.com/2008/03/10/new-york-gov-eliot-spitzer-under-investigation-for-meeting-with-a-prostitute/#comment-1509 bile Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:38:09 +0000 http://www.landofbile.com/blog/2008/03/10/new-york-gov-eliot-spitzer-under-investigation-for-meeting-with-a-prostitute/#comment-1509 In the least the federal government can obey the 4th amendment. There should be reasonable belief that such an action will result in the gathering of evidence for a crime already committed, a warrant obtained (and not NSLs) and presented to appropriate parties. Since probably >99% of federal crimes are unconstitutional and of those that are the ones related to coining money and postal roads are completely bogus and probably a good number of those regarding treason... I see no real need for the federal government to do such a thing. Ideally your contract with the communications company would clearly layout all situations where your communiques could be purposelessly intercepted. They would likely want to protect themselves and their customers from association with possible criminals so they would include clauses where they would agree to work with certain recognized insurance, defense/protection, and arbitration companies. 1) I realize that... but like the puppy shit it seems completely fucked up that the story about 5 US soldiers being blown up in Iraq is relegated to a second tier story because of some guy fucking an expensive whore. 2) I disagree. How can one claim "puritan history" when the percentage of individuals in any way shape or form related to those people or similar people are a very minor section of our population? Lots of States outlaw prostitution around the globe. I also can't understand how someone could "lean" towards legalization. How does one justify prohibition of consenting individuals performing any act let alone sex? Why is prohibition of prostitution any different than drugs, abortion or trans fat? 3) Actually it seems to be because he arranged to have a hooker brought from NYC to DC. Interstate commerce bullshit.... even though how could that be commerce if it's illegal? If he only paid the women in precious metals he wouldn't have had this problem. In the least the federal government can obey the 4th amendment. There should be reasonable belief that such an action will result in the gathering of evidence for a crime already committed, a warrant obtained (and not NSLs) and presented to appropriate parties. Since probably >99% of federal crimes are unconstitutional and of those that are the ones related to coining money and postal roads are completely bogus and probably a good number of those regarding treason… I see no real need for the federal government to do such a thing.

Ideally your contract with the communications company would clearly layout all situations where your communiques could be purposelessly intercepted. They would likely want to protect themselves and their customers from association with possible criminals so they would include clauses where they would agree to work with certain recognized insurance, defense/protection, and arbitration companies.

1) I realize that… but like the puppy shit it seems completely fucked up that the story about 5 US soldiers being blown up in Iraq is relegated to a second tier story because of some guy fucking an expensive whore.

2) I disagree. How can one claim "puritan history" when the percentage of individuals in any way shape or form related to those people or similar people are a very minor section of our population? Lots of States outlaw prostitution around the globe. I also can’t understand how someone could "lean" towards legalization. How does one justify prohibition of consenting individuals performing any act let alone sex? Why is prohibition of prostitution any different than drugs, abortion or trans fat?

3) Actually it seems to be because he arranged to have a hooker brought from NYC to DC. Interstate commerce bullshit…. even though how could that be commerce if it’s illegal? If he only paid the women in precious metals he wouldn’t have had this problem.

]]> By: beetlbumjl http://blogofbile.com/2008/03/10/new-york-gov-eliot-spitzer-under-investigation-for-meeting-with-a-prostitute/#comment-1508 beetlbumjl Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:05:47 +0000 http://www.landofbile.com/blog/2008/03/10/new-york-gov-eliot-spitzer-under-investigation-for-meeting-with-a-prostitute/#comment-1508 1 - People tend to get pissed off at hypocrites, especially those in public office, teaching positions, clergy, etc.  Right or wrong, they are held to a higher standard.  You could make the argument that politicians represent their people, a stain on them reflects badly on their constituents.  I would also question whether he used his position as governor to engage in these activities, or at the very least did so with government resources. 2 - Meh, in part because of our puritan history.  There's some women's rights (on both side of the argument) and general community health concerns wrapped up in it to.  Oh, and I'd guess religion too.  I lean towards making it legal, but am no where near motivated to convince the zealots of this.  Good luck. 3 - Probably to figure out exactly how and why Spitzer was moving money around, hidden from the IRS.  I believe this is how everything got kicked off.   Though according to the articles I've read, it sounds as if the wiretapping was only used to implicate him in the prostitution ring, not the funny money movement. I've gone an entire three paragraphs without asking a question, so here it is:  do you believe a wiretap is ever warranted?   If so, when?  1 - People tend to get pissed off at hypocrites, especially those in public office, teaching positions, clergy, etc.  Right or wrong, they are held to a higher standard.  You could make the argument that politicians represent their people, a stain on them reflects badly on their constituents.  I would also question whether he used his position as governor to engage in these activities, or at the very least did so with government resources.

2 - Meh, in part because of our puritan history.  There’s some women’s rights (on both side of the argument) and general community health concerns wrapped up in it to.  Oh, and I’d guess religion too.  I lean towards making it legal, but am no where near motivated to convince the zealots of this.  Good luck.

3 - Probably to figure out exactly how and why Spitzer was moving money around, hidden from the IRS.  I believe this is how everything got kicked off.   Though according to the articles I’ve read, it sounds as if the wiretapping was only used to implicate him in the prostitution ring, not the funny money movement.

I’ve gone an entire three paragraphs without asking a question, so here it is:  do you believe a wiretap is ever warranted?   If so, when? 

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