48% people polled think getting out of Iraq best way to help economy
Posted on February 11th, 2008 by bile Categories and Tags: Uncategorized, Congress, debate, debt, Democratic Party, economics, healthcare, Iraq, politics, poll, Republican Party, Ron Paul, taxes, votingThe heck with Congress’ big stimulus bill. The way to get the country out of recession - and most people think we’re in one - is to get the country out of Iraq, according to an Associated Press-Ipsos poll.
Pulling out of the war ranked first among proposed remedies in the survey, followed by spending more on domestic programs, cutting taxes and, at the bottom end, giving rebates to poor people in hopes they’ll spend the economy into recovery.
Forty-eight percent said a pullout would help fix the country’s economic problems “a great deal,” and an additional 20 percent said it would help at least somewhat. Some 43 percent said increasing government spending on health care, education and housing programs would help a great deal; 36 percent said cutting taxes.
That first one sounds a whole lot like the idea one of the Republicans running for POTUS has. The second sounds like that of those running on the Democrat side. Third the Republicans again. I’d really like to know the logic that those 43% who said increasing government spending. The government doesn’t produce wealth. Wealth redistribution does not help the economy. It leads to deincentivize those who do produce because the more they make and save the more they are taxed per monetary unit and it gives those who don’t currently produce any reason to start. If they start working they will be make just as much often and have to actually work or will be taxed back down to where they were.
The more people use an argument for taxation’s legitimacy or that of licenses based on the services the government provides I will get closer and closer to supporting suffrage exclusion based on knowledge. Particularly history and economics. Sortof like a Read the Bills Act for voting.
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February 11th, 2008 at 9:00 am
<sarcasm>I think suffrage is a bad thing in general. People shouldn’t suffer, especially the fairer sex.</sarcasm>
Seriously though, suffrage exclusion based on knowledge? That reeks of hubris. In fact words like hubris reek of hubris. Your calling for rule by the intelligentsia.
February 11th, 2008 at 9:13 am
Do we not already have that? We have suffrage requirements based on age because we tend to believe people below the age of 18 aren’t experienced enough or smart enough or considerate enough to vote. A reading requirement is only a difference in degrees. It’s not like we have 100% voter turn out anyway. Those who vote in primaries and go to caucus’ are more intelligent (they want to control the system) and/or passionate (they have a real desire to change or continue things.) As I said… people legitimize government restriction and regulation based on securing the collective and services provided why can I not do the same. Again just a differing of degrees. To a collectivist positivist why is voting any more a right than driving? A single vote could be the difference between war and no war, a draft or no draft. That can cause far more harm than a single unlicensed driver. Given that there are any restrictions on voting says to me it’s a privilege and not a right. Talk to the perhaps millions of cons and ex-cons who can’t vote.
I don’t advocate any government… but if I’m going to be forced into playing the game I think it’s legitimate to use the same reasoning I’m given to promote it to advocate a system which could lead to a more peaceful and consistent existence.
February 11th, 2008 at 9:16 am
Hell… I’ll even support government collected funds being used to purchase history and economics books for the citizens who want them. Any non-fiction book fitting into the history or economic genre. Maybe even philosophy.
Given they grant and enforce copyright and we live in a digital age… it shouldn’t cost too much. You could just ignore copyright and provide downloads for ebooks. Worse case you ask people to go to a library or pay a few bucks for a dead tree version.
February 11th, 2008 at 9:36 am
This is a big issue for me. I believe that prisoners must have the right to vote. Considering imprisonment is one of the states primary methods of quelling dissenters it makes sense that those imprisoned should have some method of exerting control over the state. It’s a matter of checks and balances.
The, "Hell they do it, why can’t I argument" doesn’t really hold much sway with me. They are wrong, that’s why you shouldn’t do it.
February 11th, 2008 at 9:49 am
So you support no licensing or prohibition on anything? Those exist supposedly for protecting the collective. They usually don’t. In the least the reasoning for my proposal is the same. We can argue the outcome but I don’t see how you could argue the reasoning for it compared to existing regulations.
They’ve already initiated force against me through this system which they support and spend time legitimizing to me therefore I am in the right to attempt to use the same system in defense. It is not an optimal solution but perhaps at least arguing the position may persuade people to the harm their system does.
As a pacifist however I don’t expect you to accept the defense argument. Most democracy supporting statists however are not pacifist.
February 11th, 2008 at 11:23 am
My requisite NYTimes links of the week: You’re 16, You’re Beautiful and You’re a Voter and the letters to the editor replies. I like the response of the reader who brings up the point of those 16 year olds paying income taxes. It would be difficult to determine when somebody is capable of voting (age or competence wise), but the mere fact that they are taxed on their income is enough in my book.
February 11th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
The rights of kids, animals and the mentally handicapped always screw things up.