I’m not personally interested in after school programs or mentoring. I’d gladly donate money to a program which helped in ways I agreed with but that’s not something that floats my boat. As for a book club… I’d be happy to put up a list of books I’m reading on the site.

b) I am giving specifics. You continue to act as if life is binary. It’s not. You can’t magically make right infringement disappear. You make small gains. You stop the government from taking your home, you help keep bad laws from passing, etc.

c) sure, ok.

d) telling of what? You just throw out comments that sound insightful and deep and provide no substance. It is not possible to determine the future. Period. Therefore it’s a perfectly legitimate and obvious statement that I can not determine my affect on the world till after something happens.
e) You aren’t able to describe a single idea here. You’ve said nothing of substance. I’ve got plenty of knowledge spewed out on this blog. If you want to challenge my knowledge you’re welcome to.

There are writings of yours which I can find through a Google search that are of a different tone than here. As I said you appear to be advocating not much of anything while I’m advocating being proactive in making a world I’d like to live in.

Your arrogance is obvious by your corrections. This isn’t a college essay. I’m not concerned with double checking everything I write on a blog. You understood me completely.

What makes anything justified exactly? If I’m content with the result thats good enough for me. Just like every other action an individual ever takes. I’d rather try to make a change and fail than sit around having some mental masturbation session with you.

You have still not answered anyone’s question. What do you recommend? What would be more efficient? I’m not interested in Stefan Molyneux type libertarianism where if you imagine your free you’re free and you should disassociate yourself from those who are pro unfree. That’s a cop out. You aren’t a free just because you are left alone within acceptable tolerances. Thinking free doesn’t make people stop infringing on your rights. That’s a pacifistic idea and it doesn’t work.

richyankee is absolutely correct in the fact that the individual obtains liberty, no one grants it to them.

Your list of ideas are about as generic and useless as possible. No offense…

HA!  This is why I read this blog.  It makes one pretty thick skinned.

Some ideas:

bile: Have you ever considered brewing your own root beer?  I’m not joking.  It’s a pretty fun reaction, it’s pretty cheap and you could sell it if you want.  You wouldn’t pay taxes and you could help other people not pay taxes.  Also you’d show that you don’t need the FDA to regulate food products.  It’d be a good conversation starter.

bile and richyankee: Have you ever considered becoming self employed?  More taxes to be avoided.  How about starting an after school program, or working with a mentoring program?  How about starting a book club?

richyankee: Have you considered music as a means of getting you message across?  I don’t know if you play an instrument, but it can be a good way to get people to listen.

b) ”do whatever you can that fits within the doctrine of the what?" You are joking right? Is this ‘your idea of an objective goal? ‘chip away’? Please - you must be able to identify SOMETHING specific. That’s what you keep telling me to do :)
c) ‘push back against the collectivists’? You could be writing comic book.
d) You say that it is impossible to determine the ‘effect’ (correcting your grammar)  and that is no reason to stop doing something. That’s a very telling statement in itself.
e) I would not hold your co-worker’s education at your urging or teaching - in very high regard if this is an example of your reason and logic.
f) Ah, finally, you have convinced people to support Ron Paul. Thank you.

 You err in stating that I do not support Ron Paul.

 What you take for arrogance is my rejection of your attitude. The word is ;’ought’ not ‘aught’ in that sentence.

 You would be surprised, but first you have to wake up to the fact that you feel much better about what you have ‘done’ than is justified.

I didn’t say you were an anarchist. Anarchy tends to be the utopian idea of freedom. The capitalism, communism is the economic part of it. How people interact after their is no government or at least no organized oppression. You completely over analyzed what I said. All I was saying is that whatever your vision for the end goal… the utopian end goal… will not exist.

What do you mean I need something to protect? I have it. It’s called my life and my property. I never said push people to fight. In fact if you actually spent the time to read my posts I don’t push anyone. It’s all voluntary and passive and educational.

You’ve not achieved freedom. Do you pay taxes? You use the internet so I assume you do. Do you agree with every single thing the government does on your behalf in your name? If you do I stand corrected. You are in fact free. However, I very much doubt this is the case.

How are you achieving freedom? You’ve said nothing. Your situation is no different than millions of others. What fear is it that I have?

How do you think the world works? You can’t flick on more freedom. Only those in government can decide whether or not infringe on your rights. My proposals are to do whatever you can that fits within the doctrine of libertarians to chip away the power of those who advocate the infringement of your rights. I said that clearly. Every single one of my stated actions pushes back against the collectivists. It’s a battle of minds, it’s analog, it’s fluid. You can’t say how much affect any particular action has had on the world but it doesn’t change the fact that it does. I have conversations with co-workers and have educated them on many issues. Their understanding of issues has been affected. They are more open to libertarian ideas and solutions. I support Ron Paul. You did too at one point. That has affected hundreds of thousands of people who never bothered before. I see new people all the time volunteering to spread the ideas of freedom. I’ve brought people into that movement. All those individuals I’ve reached will be far less likely to participate in collectivist plans which infringe on my rights. There are 2 obvious successes, where are yours?

If you want to teach anyone anything you aught to loose the arrogant attitude.

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I love your metaphors, but I guess I forgot to learn about the cycles of capitalism and communism in school. Which one are we in now? :)

 Where you say ‘you act as if it comes and goes in a heartbeat.’ indicates that you don’t understand what I said.

Forget vigilance. You first need something to protect. Liberty, as you say (from Jefferson), has yielded.  There is no point in pushing people toward that fight because if they want it, they need no pushing and if you need to push them, they don’t want it - and will sell you out for a barrel of beer. I’ll give you a quote: (Learned Hand)

"Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can even do much to help it. While it lies there it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it."

 Contrary to your assertion that ‘you can’t achieve freedom…’ I am achieving freedom. I am not have bothered to do far more than you have any hint of or understanding, going back to the mid 1980’s.

You think I am in your way. The facts are in your way, not me, and I don’t need to be threatened by you, nor does it frighten me much. But it does reveal a fear on your part to face the facts.

Consider the consequences of your proposal taken to its logical conclusion. Exactly what is your proposal? You have not stated a single action with a chance of bringing about a change to more freedom (that is what you claim is your goal - am I right?).

 Please tell me about your successes. I want to know what you are doing and what you have done. Show me.

 It seems to me that you have some of it right, but please, save your anger for someone who is denying you your freedom, and don’t vent it off on someone who makes you uncomfortable about the facts.

 You could learn a few things from me.

Rich